Introducing the Pokémon GO Battledex: future of competitive play!

Trainers,

roughly 15 days ago we started a new internal project at GO Hub.

We’ve been developing it publicly and sharing occasional news, however, its time to officially introduce Battledex to the world!

World, meet Battledex. Battledex, meet the world.

Battledex is an information hub that consists of Pokemon battle profiles, both in terms of Gym battles and the upcoming PvP battles.

Battledex does not try to cover every single Pokemon out there, instead focusing on the ones relevant for the current state of the game. And let me tell you, we did a fine job covering those relevant ones.

Each Battledex page consists of three parts:

  • Pokemon overview
  • Moves analysis and discussion
  • Counters and advantages

All of the Pokemon we covered have been tested, verified and rewritten multiple times. Currently, the Battledex covers the following Pokemon:

With more coming later this week.

Building the future of competitive play

However, Pokemon guides and profile pages are not the only thing Battledex has to offer. Starting with this guide, we are building a library of Gym offense and defense strategies, PvP team line ups and guides.

We are very excited to call everyone interested in helping us build the Battledex to submit their User Guides for Battledex, similar how tbearlovesfatcats sent in the Ampharos guide.

We are currently looking for guides on Gym offense (and offensive team ideas), plus we’re missing the following Pokémon profiles:

  • Machamp
  • Steelix
  • Slowking

So, what do you think? Share your feedback in the comment section and help us build the future of competitive play in Pokémon GO!

  • BlackHawk Mercenaries

    Not to be too critical, but your best movesets and counter picks do not include the best options. Also, with the current gym rework approaching all of this might have to be re-done so it would have made more sense to keep everything behind the scenes until the rework happened.

    • GonzoI

      Inevitably, any Battledex is going to be the opinion of the one who wrote it. From other similar tools on other games, I will say that having it public makes it easier when there’s a rework. People tell you what’s wrong and how to fix it far faster than you can fix it.

      • BlackHawk Mercenaries

        The PoGO community will always argue over movesets, but when it comes to counter picks I have yet to see an “opinion” based response. Just for an example, Kingdra takes the most damage from Dragonite, and while yes its Dragon vs Dragon moves on the weakness scale, the majority of players will choose Dragonite against Kingdra. Also, Tyranitar gets destroyed by Usaring (Counter/Close Combat) to the point that I have personally defeated 2 easily and almost got a third in one gym battle (My Usaring was 2300 CP, each Tyranitar was 2700 CP or higher) I have also used Primape and Hitmonchan (Counter/Cross Chop, or Counter/Close Combat) even at much lower CP they easily defeat Tyranitar. How about Rhydon? The only counter picks shown are Gyarados and Vaporeon? Starmie with Water Gun/Hydro Pump actually does better damage. What is even worse is that the best actual counter in the current meta is Exeggutor with Bullet Seed/Solar Beam (hell any Exeggutor), even Victreebel or Vileplume with Razor Leaf/Solar Beam would do better than those Water Types. There are inaccuracies, and when you are trying to help players you need to make sure you are giving them the best information.

        • GonzoI

          This actually demonstrates my point. I’ll pick on Kingdra – You say Dragonite is better, but Dragonite is weak to Kingdra’s Dragon Breath (and 2 of it’s charge moves if it doesn’t have the “best” moveset). They suggest fairy types, which not only are strong against much of that moveset, but fairy moves are also equally strong against Kindra. You will need a higher CP Dragonite to do what a lower CP Clefable can do to Kingdra. I’m assuming that you have some criteria which you feel outweighs this, but how you weight that IS opinion.

          • BlackHawk Mercenaries

            Dragonite by pure DPS will kill a Defending Kingdra before it ever gets off a charge move, in either circumstance Dragonite should be mentioned or included in the counter choices, not left out completely.. not opinionated, but a fact

          • GonzoI

            To do anything close to what you’re suggesting, you’re talking about a much higher CP Dragonite. That’s not a counter, that’s overpowering.

          • BlackHawk Mercenaries

            Even a level 20 Dragonite versus a level 30 Kingdra still wins.. I have a level 25 Dragonite (2488CP) it can easily defeat 2 Kingdras around 2000 CP each (or level 30).. nothing over powering about it. Im sorry but I battle every day and I know what works and doesnt. I used my Clefable last night to even test your theory and it was horribly long and drawn out, with Clefable barely winning.(Even Wigglytuff wasnt as potion efficient as I thought it might be, so that was not worth it either) To be honest my Alakazam with Dazzling Gleam worked a lot better. Your original comments were that by proposing this “Battledex” people could tell you whats wrong and you can make corrections faster, yet this entire back and forth proves my point that you will blindly go forward with incorrect or incomplete data which does nothing for players that are looking for help. Which in the end makes the whole project worthless. Thanks for the discussion, best of luck going forward

          • GonzoI

            Um… How do you give a scenario with a 20% stronger pokemon winning and say “nothing over powering about it”? You switched out the CP I was talking about (which is the relevant number in gym battles under the current system, even if it is a garbage metric) with the level number, which isn’t useful in this context at all.

          • BlackHawk Mercenaries

            I was using my own (Real Life) experiences to highlight how I can easily defeat 2 Kingdras with my Dragonite, but yet you made no comments about the Alakazam, or the struggles with your Fairy types? You can pick through and make pivots to everything I say, I can throw things back (like instead of using personal experiences I could use simulators to prove my point: http://www.pokebattler.com/fights/attackers/DRAGONITE/quickMoves/DRAGON_TAIL_FAST/cinMoves/OUTRAGE/levels/20.5/ivs/FAA/defenders/KINGDRA/quickMoves/DRAGON_BREATH_FAST/cinMoves/HYDRO_PUMP/levels/30/ivs/EDE/strategies/DODGE_SPECIALS3/DEFENSE) but you will still not acknowledge the fact that there is information missing or concede the need for any changes. That form of narcissism was my initial concern with a project like this and you have proven my point. As I said best of luck

          • GonzoI

            You seem to be under the illusion that you are talking to someone from their staff. That’s not the only conclusion you have jumped to here, and you still have ignored key parts of what was said. I will agree that we’re done here, though.

          • Krzysztof Piekarski

            BlackHawk is totally right here. The question how a 2000 cp Kingdra will do against 2000 cp Dragonite is purely theoretical and useless. Who cares! Lvl on the other hand is totally relevant as most competetive players have thier pokemon at most effivient lvl 30 (or beyond) and are interested in their power up cost. So yes when I compare pokemon I want to know how a lvl 30 kingdra will do against a lvl 30 dragonite and if kingdra is a 1000 cp lower then just too bad for her. Sorry.

          • GonzoI

            And for you as you spend 10x as long prestiging against your own team’s gyms and your level 30 Dragonite faints more often than it needs to against enemy gyms. You are missing the point of a counter.

          • Krzysztof Piekarski

            I am sorry who and where said we are talking about only prestiging gyms? Also even if we were. Do you really think I would use 3000 cp dragonite to presige against a 2000 cp kingdra? I am sorry but I assumed everyone here already knows their ABC’s and the reason of battledex is to help higly competetive players. So if you are interested in what i actually had to say I let me put it in other words. I would murder any defending Kindgra with my lanturn with double electric attack. I would be supper effective agast her ad if she aatacks with water also ressistant to her attacks. I would also easily prestige against a defending kingdra if I had weak enough lanturn to gain max prestige. So as a defender she totally sux. Low CP, easily countered (if not lanturn use any electric types). Basicly kingdra is just a worse gyarados. Now lets use Kindgra for attack /prestice. No WTF would I want to do that? I have 3 2100-2000 lvl 30 laprses with duble ice attacks and a few more in 1200-1300 cp range. My 2100 cp lapras lets me on avarage kill 2,5 3000 cp dragonites when attacking while my 1300 cp lapras lets me easily prestige againstl 1-1,5 3000cp dragonites. Sorry WTF is kingdra here and lapras not? Let me also mention that when gyms are packed with 4+ dragonites i am way more happy to use lapras and kill at least 2 with just one attacker slot then to waist a slot for kingdra. This was is what I mean. Don’t assume anyone needs you theaching them basics here.
            What is really interesting and hard to find is how similar lvl pokemon rank again each other. Not same CP. Taht what I wanted to covey in my previous post using with example of dragonite and kingra. I am not so stupid to battle Kingra with one… which still doesn’t make kindgra a good couter. Its just not a wise machup for dragonite thats all. Also where is heracross on your list? Where is lapras? where is lanturn? whre is dragonite?

          • GonzoI

            Before condescending, actually read what you replied to. It wasn’t even that long of a post.

          • Krzysztof Piekarski

            Still no merit in what you wrote. I read all discussion and repiled under your last post. Kindgra is bad. It is worse then a dragonite in general. As a defender against one, as a prestiger against one, and as an attacker against one. Still it doesn’t mean i will attack her with a dragonite and above i explained why. IMO you are defending a lost case here and avoiding merit is your weapon if choice.

            Also not targeting you but just in general: How come electric types are not mentiones in kingdras counters and a cleffairy is? I am sorry but who wrote this?!

          • GonzoI

            I’m calling BS on “read all discussion”.

            Me: “You seem to be under the illusion that you are talking to someone from their staff.”
            You: “Also where is heracross on your list?”

            Me: “and your level 30 Dragonite faints more often than it needs to against enemy gyms”
            You: I am sorry who and where said we are talking about only prestiging gyms?

            Me: “You switched out the CP I was talking about (which is the relevant number in gym battles under the current system, even if it is a garbage metric) with the level number, which isn’t useful in this context at all.”
            You: “He used an example of a 1/3 weaker pokemon – level wise”

            I could itemize several more, but suffice it to say, no, you didn’t read. Two of the examples I just gave were your comments in DIRECT response to the comments you didn’t read.

          • Krzysztof Piekarski

            Well at least you are funny 🙂
            1. The fact you are not a staff member is not relevant as you posted in defece of battledex to balckhawks justified critic. That’s why I adress you and don’t make so much distiction. If you read further tho later on DID accent the fact I am aware you are not in the staff. “…not targeting you but in general…”
            2. My bad. I misundrestood that but i did reply to both prestiging and attacking with explanation and expamle to which you are now silent.
            3. Here is the main point – you are just wrong on this one which causes all the disagreement. CP is important only prestige wise (maybe not for much long) but when attackng gyms (what i guess people should do a lot right?) you dont care about CP. You care about how much bang you get for your dust and that my friend means LVL is your criteria. So if hypoteticly lvl 20 dragonite kllis lvl 30 kindra (regardles if there is other better option fo fight kingdra) it means it is just better pokemon to have and train, which is what the battledex was meant to be about right… Right??

          • GonzoI

            1. “Not targetting you but in general” does not acknowledge that, nor was “your list” at all ambiguous.
            2. I was “silent” because you weren’t reading.
            3. The point of a battledex, by their statements, is to understand the strengths and weaknesses of the Pokemon, including their counters. And the counters are what we’re arguing about, not the battledex itself. You are insistent on comparing level, even though it has no direct in-battle effect, I am comparing CP for prestiging because that is central to prestiging, and damage taken for attacking because your attack team has to defeat more than 1:1 to take down a gym efficiently. A level 30 Dragonite attacker will beat a level 30 Kingdra defender most of the time, but the Dragonite takes a lot more damage than other level 30 Pokemon because it’s weak to most of Kingdras attacks. That does not fit the definition of a counter.

          • Krzysztof Piekarski

            He used an example of a 1/3 weaker pokemon – level wise, not a 20% stronger one. Dragonite is stroneg but in a sense it is a way better pokemon overall. That’s why on lvl 20 it can kill lvl 30 kindgra.

          • GonzoI

            As I said, level means nothing in GO’s gym setup. CP is used in factoring prestige, and effectiveness in attacking enemy gyms is based on the interaction of HP, defense, strength and type effectiveness. Dragonite only wins through higher stats, meaning it takes more damage from the Kingdra than an actual counter does.

  • yong. zheng

    adc in 2k17? nope, its league of tanks now (blissey)

  • arik100

    i have seen a few inaccuracies in this battledex.
    i just wonder why i can’t reply in the topic… so stupid