Trainers,

the in-game privacy policy has been updated and now allows collecting information about other applications installed on your device. This change is applicable from November 1, 2017. If you open your app and scroll down to the “Device information” section, you will see that a new statement has been added:

information about other applications installed on your (or your authorized child’s) device

Combined with the recent improvements to the Blacklisted Apps feature in 0.81.1, it’s quite certain that the blacklisting security feature will be soon re-activated. Niantic has previously activated it shortly, collecting data and measuring its impact. It’s safe to assume that the security measure was rather successful.

There are several possible privacy implications stemming from today’s Policy update and we hope that Niantic will clarify it soon. It’s unusual and quite invasive to collect information about other apps installed on a device, especially for the purpose of playing a game.

We’ll be monitoring the issue closely and reporting back as the situation develops.

  • 4BYE

    I’m wondering if this is something that would be allowed in my country. It’s crazy that apps can check what’s installed on my phone.

    • Kai von Hagen

      its already normal on PC Anti Cheat like Warden from Blizzard works the same way in Overwatch and World of Warcraft.

      • Spirit Amet

        Phone and Tablet vrs. PC Different rules and regulations my friend.

        • Chris Denton

          Yep, PCs have had poor user security since the beginning. Not a reason to drop security features from a smartphone. Luckily I’m on iOS and this is exactly why.

          • Spirit Amet

            Aye, at the end of the day, the arguement Kai von Hagen makes doesn’t hold up. Thats like saying, well you can shoot people in this part of the world on grounds of suspicion, so lets do it everywhere…. Doesn’t make it right by any means. I mean I get it, botters for gyms and such can be a problem, but lets call it how it is, another sneaky marketing agenda, covered up as some other BS. Its not acceptable, and until Google does the right thing, you wont catch me with PoGo on my phone, simply because of the principal behind it. As for you Niantic, shame on you, using your war against 3rd party apps as a way to scam more marketing info.

          • Chris Denton

            I do not trust google with any information. I doubt they will reverse course over this but it’s possible.

            Niantic knows no shame.

          • Debi

            Bad thing is that according to my dad who is a systems administer at a computer company and a bank, they can do this to people

          • Chris Denton

            Time will tell. I’m not saying your dad is wrong but I would rather a lawyer say one way or the other.

            They spied on everyone with android and then a week later added it to the TOS. I don’t think that’s ok or legal. The only thing that would make it legal is if it’s in googles terms for Android.

          • Luiz Eduardo Pereira

            In my oppinion, it’s the correct move from niantic.. BUT I hope they change their behavior… Apps like PokeGenie is better than the team leaders appraisal, so they should incorporate this in game… In the same way, the trackers… maybe they could use the gym badges to inform about raids, for example: if you had a gold badge in a gym they could inform raids in this gym (bronze: raids level 1 and 2, silver raids 3 and 4 and gold raids lvl 5) or something like this.. I dont know, all apps are invasives, if they use this information to make the game better its ok for me…

        • Carl Carefor

          Phone and tablet is a stripped PC with greater controls on user.. PC is closer to open source

  • Кристи Молох

    I think it is not Pokemon GO question. It is a privacy question to Android OS (I know nothing about how it is implemented on iOS). And what hapapens if I just permit PokeGO to collect this information?

    • Kai von Hagen

      this privacy thing dont work as argument.

      its already normal on PC Anti Cheat like Warden from Blizzard works the same way in Overwatch and World of Warcraft.

      • Dylan Greaney

        a PC is not your phone
        these are two different things

        • Khouri

          In the matter of their use, they’re two different things, but they’re really quite the same. Both are a series of hardware with operating system kernel and driver software for hardware. What makes a computer different than a phone if I install a 4G USB modem and install Android on it?

  • mcfilmmakers

    Is t this against iOS terms of use?

    • Dan

      Negative. Apps have permission to everything on your phone. What this is saying is that they’ll be actively checking for apps on the blacklist.

      • Spirit Amet

        Actually Apple took a stand when they caught Niantic using exploitable means to invade privacy, since then they have patched that up nicely. Apple does take a stand against invasion of privacy, and does not endorse app creators to overstep their boundaries.

  • Leandro Niederer

    does this mean iv calculators like poke genie wil lget u banned?

    • Neopiru Games

      some of them probably yes, but I had no problems until now using “Calcy IV” it just reads appraisal from the screenshots so it’s not directly connected to the PoGo app

      • Hamstrman

        Right, we get that it doesn’t require login information, but if Niantic can now scan your phone for a blacklist of apps, ALL iv checkers can be identified!

        • Nams

          something to remember is that iOS does not allow apps to read the devices apps installed. EVERYONE who complained about iOS 8.4.1, that plays Pokemon Go, should thank apple for this.

          Thanks Tim Cook for looking out for Pokemon spoofers and people who want to be normal pokemon players that play pokemon go in the same style as the pokemon games.

          • Higher_Ground

            spoofing has nothing to do with “play pokemon go in the same style as the pokemon games.”

            Nothing.

          • NFEEFE

            If you want to play original games play Pokemon blue, pokemon go is about going out

          • Chris Denton

            That’s the best advice I have ever read. If you want to play the originals, play the originals.

            Pokemon go has little to do with going out unless you are going to a city.

          • Dan

            But it’s not banned?

  • Marina Taccori

    va beh! vorrà dire che passerò al gioco “draconius Go” visto che la Niantic non fa che scassare i maroni . I maroni si mangiano non si scassano

  • Dana Summers (RexHav0c)

    Fairly standard in most MMO’s. Should put a dent in the spoofers community.

    • Zenamez

      It won’t. What with changing package names to bypass the blacklist, hiding apps though Xposed etc… This will do nothing apart from give them an excuse to scrape info to sell if need be.

      • David Jeffers

        At the very least it will block the vast majority of people who try to spoof who are not smart enough to do those more advanced things. I’ve joined a handful of spoofer communities just to be a mole and an ear in side and a vast vast majority of the people in those groups have no idea what they’re doing and require someone to hold their hand and give them a tutorial of exactly how to do it. This change will affect those people.

        Eventually new tutorials will come out that include information on how to get around to this, but hopefully in the meantime it will scare enough people away from trying to cheat at all.

  • I’m pretty confident that apps on iOS are completely isolated and cannot scrape your phone for other apps that are installed. It would be a serious privacy concern if this was possible and I’m pretty sure Apple doesn’t allow that. Unsure about Android.

    • Hamstrman

      Yeah this is like how it was with Google’s safety net identifying root users but not jailbroken users. Apple is never affected.

    • Zenamez

      Ironically Android gives a system API for doing such things (scraping info).

      iOS apps are sandboxed but Android gives Devs the option to find all manner of device information and gives it to them on a plate.

    • peponzio

      Well at the very least Apple has a feature worth considering them for. Now people can switch to Apple so they can privately do things, including cheating. Oh yeah, most things free in Android have a cost in Apple, and most things to freely develop and create are highly restricted in Apple.

      Give and take.

  • Biga173rd

    I make sure under app permission I have storage turned off.

    • 03grunt

      Thanks just turned mine off

    • Zenamez

      It doesn’t use storage to “scan” for installed apps.

      Disabling that permission will do NOTHING with regards to this.

      In fact it uses Android’s PackageManager() class to collect the info for it. You can’t disable that unless you sandbox Go.

      • Alfonso Little

        How do you sandbox?

        • Zenamez

          I use an app called “Island” on Android (it’s by Oasis Feng).

      • Biga173rd

        Wow thanks for the tip.

    • David Jeffers

      The storage permission is what allows the AR camera to save photos. That’s it.

      • Biga173rd

        Well in that case were screwed?

  • Comdark

    I gladly approve it,cz i play pokego with honest without using any cheating apps. I am not affraid at all. They only scan app,after all, not photo or doc or song,etc.

    • Zenamez

      As with anything – that’s only the beginning.

      It already stated it doesn’t just collect installed apps but also your OS version, settings etc. That’s pretty damn invasive.

      Won’t be long until they scan for more info to identify you with.

      • David Jeffers

        We’ve known about that they were going to do this for a while now. We’ve been asking them to implement an app Blacklist since the game was released. Players has been begging Niantic to block players who have spoofing apps installed. That’s all they’re doing. Don’t make it more than it is.

        • Zenamez

          Players have been asking for them to do something about spoofers, not to implement a blacklist (which so far has done very little to stop spoofing). They already have a machine learning system in place which was doing a pretty good job stopping/punishing spoofers already WITHOUT having to scrape information off devices.

          I’m not “making it more than it is” when they’re now scraping other bits of information superfluous to the blacklist like phone settings. Ever since the march 2017 security update, spoofers couldn’t use the mock location to spoof with so scraping phone settings is suspicious and knowing Niantic and their track record of communication – we’ll probably never know.

          Personally I’m not too pleased about this being added in on the sly without a mention as to what they’re going to use it for (as it’s definitely not for the blacklist only). For all we know it could be a cheeky attempt at selling info to advertiser’s on the side.

          There’s also no mention whether it will only target spoofers or everyone.

          • peponzio

            The pretty good job you mean is the one where a simple list of rules came out so people wouldn’t be detected cheating? The one everyone is saying “you only get caught if you are not careful”?

            After that security update and Raids came out people have been making groups and exchanging lots of info from behind. Coordinates, tips to cheat, helping each other install hacks. They even share screenshots blurring their avatar names and details so they can’t be reported. It feels like there are even more cheaters now than ever.

            Blacklisting is one of the oldest tricks in programming and has been long overdue. The implementation is quite hectic (as is usually the case with Niantic) and quite controversial in this case. But controversy is the first step to compromise.

            This will be resolved and everyone (from both sides) will have to prescind from some of their needs.

      • Dan

        The thing about that is that it has to scan the OS version and the settings to make sure that the app is compatible.

      • peponzio

        It already collected OS version, user settings, device identifier, and use of the “Services” way back in Decmber 21st 2016 and possibly even earlier.

        The only change is the installed apps. And it took them more than 10 months to add one condition to that list. They already have more info than you’d wish they know simply with your google account. And there is no way of knowing why or how that info is used just like any other app and program with a License Agreement and a Privacy Policy. They have no obligation to prove or explain the use of that data.

    • Spirit Amet

      actually they have access to all of the information and more, that you stated they do not have access to, with this new forced ToS change…

  • Higher_Ground

    The game is already overly invasive when it comes to their policies. Glad I don’t root any more or I wouldn’t have been playing the entire past year.

    I doubt they care tbh.

  • Higher_Ground

    As much as I abhor the ever decreasing amount of privacy we have these days, you’re already all-in with them. They have access to your camera… and you’re worried about them accessing what apps are on your phone?

    Other than cheating, why would you care? This is different from an invasion of privacy because you’re voluntarily agreeing to play their game. I may not like the principle of it, but I’m not exactly worried about Niantic looking at what’s installed on my phone, especially when I know why they are doing it.

    • Cathy Gold

      Because Draconius Go came out….this isn’t about cheating this is about control and seeing what else you are doing. Draconius Go is very similar to Pokemon Go and Niantic is not happy that there is a better AR game. There is absolutely no reason they need to see where you bank, what games you play or your friends.

      • Higher_Ground

        of course not, but there’s no reason for most of their terms & conditions IMO.

        When it comes to them stopping cheaters, you can’t have one or the other. It’s a personal choice but one I don’t really mind making at this time with this particular app.

        edit:

        If you’re worried about them finding Draconious GO on your phone, don’t be. Maybe it’ll just do more to spur them into actually improving their game.

      • Dan

        It has nothing to do with them accessing Draconius Go.

        • Spirit Amet

          No of course not, because they dont have the power to add any app they want to the blacklist and ban you for “unexplained” violation of their ToS if they so choose. And since we cant force them to explain it so I am told, that means they can take our money, invade our privacy, and we either obey or loose. Its shady practices, and trying to enforce a monopoly under the claim its to combat botters and spoofers, which they still rely on for their numbers for more funding by investors. They have the means to stop botters and spoofers, but they don’t.

      • peponzio

        This is precious. Can you imagine the outrage if Draconius Go appeared in the blacklist?

        That’d be hilarious.

        Little kid: “If you play with them I won’t let you play with me!”

        • Spirit Amet

          With they way it is, they can do whatever they want, unless enough people speak out against this outrageous requirement to use services that time and money may have already been spent on.

    • Zenamez

      It’s not just about collecting installed apps but also system settings etc. Stuff which should not be needed at all in these circumstances.

      You give them an inch and they’ll take a mile.

      I’m glad I sandboxed Go now. The permissions (including hidden ones) were far too far reaching for my liking and this makes it worse.

  • Patrick Terry Jr.

    WAIT WILL POKEGENIE NOW GET U BANNED?

    • Baffoun

      No.

    • David Jeffers

      No, Niantic does not care about screen reading IV calculators. The only IV apps that will get you banned are the ones that log directly into your account. The screen reading ones just use math to calculate the IV. #MathIsNotACrime

  • Brent Hollett

    #FakeNews?

    This doesn’t show in either the website or my Android app. Privacy policy was last updated on December 21st, 2016.

    • Zenamez

      The app was updated yesterday and the policy change seemed to have been included into that.

      I sideloaded the update and the policy was changed at least.

      • Brent Hollett

        The website has not been changed and its the official definitive version.

        • David Jeffers

          That just means that it hasn’t been fully updated yet. That’s kind of what happens when things get updated. It may be updated in one place but not another. This is not fake news it’s just in progress still.

  • Cathy Gold

    Just contacted google and my cell provider. They checked the app and permissions granted and said that this policy is illegal as its not listed for users to agree to. Niantic does not have permission to search your phone and they will be launching an investigation in to this.

    • Biga173rd

      Good to know they don’t have right to access your personal information just because of cheaters. smh

    • Cathy Gold

      I will be curious if this is a real policy change or fake when my provider gets back to me.

    • Dan

      But you do have to agree to it. When you sign up, you agree to honor the privacy policy, and that it may be updated at any time. So it’s legal.

    • peponzio

      Oh this is real, but it may not have arrived yet when you contacted your provider. The new update which will be forced to continue playing will arrive eventually and when it does the information requested will be available and agreed to by you logging into the game.

  • Robert Schmitz

    You’ve gone far enough Niantic. Consider another customer lost.

    • Dan

      Why, because you can’t spoof now?

      • 4BYE

        There will be a time that you realize why. LOL

        • Dan

          Yeah, it’s because he can’t spoof anymore. Good riddance then.

          • 4BYE

            No it’s because your privacy is totally gone. Nobody has anything to do with what people install on their phones. If spoofing is the problem solve it in your own app.

          • peponzio

            Niantic did not invent this method, it is a tool available for app developers. It has to be known and agreed upon by the users of said app which is why the Privacy Policy was updated.

            We may actually have apps that do exactly this checks and have it stated on their Privacy Policies and ToS and have no idea it is actually happening.

            When was the last time you read all the License Agreement, or Privacy Policy, or Terms of Service of something you installed? Can you be sure that other apps are not doing this because you didn’t read the documents you agreed upon?

            Can you be sure an installed app is not doing it WITHOUT stating it in their documents? Someone might know how to be sure, but do you know if it’s safe?

            I’m sorry but there is no such thing as privacy when you don’t know what you are signing up for.

          • Spirit Amet

            The issue here, is that they CHANGED their TOS, to add invasion of privacy, just to combat spoofers and botters. Just because some are dishonest, does not mean the rest of us honest players should be forced to agree to this intrusion or be attacked by others when we speak up against it, because we invested time and money just like others, now to be forced to accept this invasion and be able to use what we spent time and money on, or are basically forced to bugger off.

          • peponzio

            Which is another clause of the ToS. The Terms of Service may change and be updated and all they are forced to do is notify the users. All legal disclaimers and agreements through apps and many internet services are not in the user’s favour but in the provider’s defense.

            I am not saying what they are doing is right, but rather than many claims are aimed where there is no place to push. While also saying that any sense of privacy and protection we believe we have is a misconstruction of trust and brand brandishing (lol that actually works).

            Also, and truly unfortunate, this IS as you state a case where the innocent pay for the dishonest’s misconducts (all are punished equally regardless of individual good behaviour). That is always unfair and yet it happens from time to time.

            Now, controversy leads to compromise. People need to speak up against this invasion, where it matters, where it is heard. Banding up together and demanding more protection. From google for example, if apple can protect its users why can’t google? From android platform creators, freedom to do is not freedom to take, demand safety and regulations.

            From the Pokemon Company and even Nintendo why not? We are users and your approved app is invading our privacy. Hear us out.

            Etc, etc, etc.

          • Dan

            Spoofing is done by using another app to trick the GPS. There is no way to fix that within your own app. Also, if you’re using the PokemonGo app, you don’t have any privacy with them to begin with because they automatically get that information anyway. You might want to check the user agreements.

          • Spirit Amet

            Its absolutely hilarious, to see fan boys and keyboard warriors who attack innocent people who do not agree to the terms of privacy invasion. Clearly some people don’t get that others want the right to privacy as it is indeed a human right in many countries, and is honored there. Just because you don’t feel it’s important, doesn’t mean advocates of privacy are cheaters.

  • Graham Barley

    this worries me my private stuff bank details pics passwords .so this cant be legal in my country gone check with a lawyer about this

    • peponzio

      “Information ABOUT other installed apps” NOT “Information contained by other installed apps”.

      The permission is to see what is installed not what is stored. Bank credentials, passwords, photographs, documents, are not information about the apps. They should be safe, specially because they should be protected from outside access by the apps that contain them. Though viruses job’s is exactly to break those protections, Pokemon Go is not a virus.

      • Spirit Amet

        without proof that they do not have access to that information or that they will NEVER touch/access it, your claims are as valuable as a bunch of hot air in space.

        • peponzio

          Seeing as the economic term of value is directly related to the rareness or scarcity of the resource in an environment, that would make my hot air in space one of the most valuable things you can find. True, it may dissipate easy and fast with no one to realize if it was ever there, but if someone finds it before that happens then it becomes a miraculous treasure.

          Putting hyperboles aside, my specific point was that bank credentials and other crucial information are to be encrypted/decryted and protected by the apps that use that information. Even IF Niantic could access that data the success of protection is dependent on the individual apps that require said data. UNLESS Pokemon Go is willingly and actively attacking apps to decrypt their valuable assets (making it a virus) that data SHOULD be safe.

          Not because Niantic can’t see it, but because they SHOULDN’T be able to decrypt it. And with all data miners and people whose actual job is to ensure safe apps in the store are not secretly attacking or extracting your information, we should be safe.

          Edit: Now modified apps from hackers that ensure you can spoof and cheat, who knows if those have chunks of code that are actively invading your personal info.

          • Spirit Amet

            One would hope, but given the shoddy track record Mr. Hanke has with honesty to the customers, about simple things like features, the disasters that follow with his “events” and the fact that he is very quick to a tempertantrum so to speak. I cannot trust the word of a CEO who has proven to be unrelaible, to have potential access to such information. Not to mention who could exploit these connections and gather the data from it themselves. Sure one can argue that people can hack phones, but why give them another door to exploit? Why should Niantic even need to come close to the ability to access this information, all in a “desperate attempt to stop spoofers and botters”

            Wars are started on the same principal of finding a target to blame, but not all wars are justifyable, and in this case, the ends do NOT justify the means, with Niantics enforced new snooping methods. I respect those who have no problem with them doing this, even if I disagree with them, but I cannot respect someone who belittles those who choose to speak up or take action against Niantic for this. I hope you can understand and possibly respect that point of view, even if it differs from your own.

            Also I apologize for the rude and un-necessary comment i made to you prior to this post.

          • peponzio

            Thank you, I apologize as well. I meant no personal harm nor was I hoping to belittle any attempts of speaking up or taking action.

            I do not like many courses and actions that high officers in Niantic have taken either. I cannot say I ever trusted them but only that I hoped their intentions were not as ill as others may or may not have attributed them. We can only know what little they communicate.

            I do firmly believe that this matter can be resolved through dialogue and user pressure but through the right methods. Through Niantic’s official customer support (massing reports from as many users in as little time as possible) by taking friends and family to write similar reports at the same time.

            Or going straight to Nintendo and The Pokemon Company with many users claiming some answers, proof or protective actions. Why even taking it to Google, and even sponsored companies. Imagine telling starbucks you do not like that they are partners with Pokemon Go who snoops into your private information.

            Filing claims. As many as fast as possible. Here nothing will be accomplished.

            Unless maybe we all send Go Hub emails asking them to contact Niantic saying we expect answers for such behaviours. Actually that one sounds nice and doable here.

          • Spirit Amet

            You bring some great ideas to the table. I just have to consider privacy, and I tend to speak up when others cast doubt or belittle their posts of outrage and being told, “you must be a cheater”. Glad to see someone like yourself has some critical thinking. You can bet your last dollar I will be among the masses sending emails in protest. I mean I get they wanna protect their stuff, good on them for taking action. Just, they overstepped their boundaries this time 🙂 That’s where your ideas come in for us to mass together.

          • peponzio

            We can only do our best, anything less will not bring us closer to our goals.

            Niantic and many others have indeed crossed lines that shouldn’t be crossed. It takes a special kind of brave to rise up and protest, I am glad people like you take the flag with honour.

            If you can please encourage others who share these concerns to speak up as well, and if you can please share your experiences (where you sent emails, what answers you got, etc.).

  • Spirit Amet

    The issue with this, is that regardless of the intention, its a violation of privacy, and means that if their app doesnt like the look of another app, they can refuse you access until you remove it, thus giving them full control of what you can and cant play as they see fit. Its illegal in some countries and completely unethical especially on a cellphone. This is just another clever ploy of gathing as much marketing info, while trying to say its “to prevent botters only”. The fact Google Play has let this charade go on as long as it has, is sickening and disgraceful. And Google needs to step up and put a stop to this. I know if I made an app that did that, they would take it down, so why the special treatment for a company that used to belong under the Google umbrella?

    • CDensmore

      It doesn’t give them full control of anything. What are you taking about? It gives them control of being able to play their app, which is their right if you are being the TOS. Take you tinfoil hat off for a moment and realize that it is possible that the app could just be getting a list of app names only and verifying you do not have a black listed app on your phone. If you don’t want to find them permission to do that, delete the game.

      • Anthony Francisco

        Spirit is obviously a spoofer and bleak that his cheating ways have been put to an end.

        • Spirit Amet

          I am not actually, I am just a huge advocate for privacy, something that I have a right to. It’s a shame that when someone argues something that you do not care about or agree with, that instead of having an intelligent remark, your capabilities are so limited that you have to claim cheating.

          • Anthony Francisco

            Well rehearsed, but I’m not buying it, please try again.

          • Spirit Amet

            There is no need to try when it comes to facts, you have your own opinion, congrats, you are entitled to have one. No matter how off the mark you are with it. I’m a businessman, and I prefer keeping privacy. The permission to access contacts when that has no part of the gameplay was already shady enough.

          • Anthony Francisco

            Businessman… lmfao

      • Spirit Amet

        The fact of the matter is, with that control (which is EXACTLY what it is) they can later deem a game is too similar to theirs, add it to the blacklist, then boom, what happens next if you played it, put money into both games? You have to delete one just to play the other. You say its not likely or its a tin foil hate move, their actions against DraconiusGO makes it clear that they don’t like competition. It gives them the power to lock out access of PoGO just because you have something THEY don’t like in the end, which is a form of power or control. And your simplistic answer of if you don’t like it, don’t use it is unacceptable, just because you prefer to be a mindless sheep of today, doesn’t mean the rest of us like to be complacent, and either obey giving control of everything we do over to “evil corp” just to gain access to 30 minutes of fun. We should be allowed to choose what we want to have on our phone, and still be granted access. Given most of these bots and such, happen more on PC, and most of the usual guilty ones, on phones are already insta obvious. The invasion of privacy is very real, and its un-necessary. So I share my voice with others who would raise it in concern with Niantic and other such companies assuming such control over their users un-necessarily. Also a ToS cannot empower a person or company to maintain a monopoly in many countries, its actually illegal, some people forget, that just because someone puts it into a ToS, doesn’t make it right, nor legal everywhere.

    • peponzio

      First up, we don’t know (and can’t know without breaking the game’s code) exactly how deep the collection of information mentioned in the Privacy Policy is or what details are exactly taken and processed. For all we know it may only be the name of the installed apps to be compared with names in a blacklist. Anyone can assume that their bank application credentials will be compromised, but that’d be ridiculous.

      Second, the ONLY change in the paragraph is exactly what Go Hub quoted on top. The ONLY change is “information about other applications installed on your (or your authorized child’s) device”. Pokemon Go has been collecting device identifier, user settings, operating system and our use of the “Services” for months and nobody cared, including us two.

      Third. It is explicitly stated that Niantic uses collected information for themselves and for third party service providers for whatever reasons they state on the Privacy Policy. The collected information is separated into PII (Personal Identifier Information) which is more protected and less shared; and aggregate information for statistics more likely targeted at advertisers.

      Finally, the amount of information we allow applications to use and manipulate from us is staggering bordering in senseless. And it’s been done for years. Someone in Germany sued Facebook years ago because his data was never deleted when he opted to “erase” his account. Going back in reactivated everything and his information was still available for Facebook to use with him being the only one who couldn’t access that data (due to “erasing” his access to it). He claimed his personal information was his own and demanded Facebook delete it and return it.

      He won. Facebook mailed him boxes of papers detailing his psychological profile, likes, tendecies, and recurring places he visited. Hundreds of lines describing him. Then Facebook updated their Privacy Policy making them the owners of anything you do on Facebook.

    • Scott Walker

      It’s neither illegal or unethical. If you agree to the TOS, it’s your own fault. There’s a simple way to avoid this problem…stop using the app

      • Spirit Amet

        When apple has to step in and patch something they did, because its utilizing exploits, i call that VERY unethical. Privacy is important to many people, and they have the right to that, no game has the right to change their TOS after money is paid, forcing someone to either accept this invasion of privacy or remove their product and cut their losses. With a lvl 39 account, I have cut my losses, requested refunds where applicable and removed the app from my phone, because no company should ever have the right to change the TOS to force you to give up your rights to privacy.

  • Adriana Renee-Lonestar

    I am a little bothered that people think the only reason some are bothered by this policy update is because they cheat. I DO NOT cheat or even use them iv calculators on my phone i use ones on the web and I am considering removing pogo from my phone you dont invade the privacy of others to stop stupid cheaters no matter which method they use. My installed apps is no ones business thus why my phone is locked and before anyone thinks i got freaky things on my phone get a life I like my privacy.

    • Chris Denton

      That’s how privacy discussions always go. People want their right to privacy and others claim it’s because they are hiding something. Couldn’t be further from the truth.

    • Dan

      If you think anything installed on your phone is private, you’re wrong. They don’t even need to check your phone to see what you have there. They can simply ask the phone company, and there’s nothing you can do about it because it’s completely legal.

      • peponzio

        I am a little bothered that people think that the only reason for this policy update problem everyone is so bothered about is because of invasion of privacy.

        There is no such thing as user privacy. We gladly sign for everything we want to use not realizing the privacy policies are for the company issuing the service. They are the list of things we relinquish to others with no obligation to the company for proof of use of said privileges.

        When was the last time a flashlight app proved why it needed your contacts registered in your phone? They just need you to sign up in agreement, we don’t need to know apparently how and why permissions are required.

        Google accounts linked to phones take ALL information regarding your phone, so they can back up if something happens to your phone. Or to know everything about you, who knows. No one has to prove why they take our information and for what it is used.

  • Chris Denton

    So what about before when they did this without it being in the TOS? Just forget that they invaded everyone’s privacy?

    If you steal a car from a car lot and get caught, you do not get the option to buy it to avoid charges.

    I have suggested a file checker but only for the Pokémon go files to stop spoofing, not the whole system for every bit of info they can get

  • Aiobheanne O Meadhra

    Everyone quick delete your pornhub apps 😂😂😂

    • Daniel Doiron

      pornhub is SAFER than IV apps atm, how F up is that ? LOL

  • THOMAS MALAYAKKAL

    Now Niantic want to know what types of app your using, are u serious Niantic, you are crossing the limit and entering our privacy zone. You are sick Niantic..

  • Stefan Lundgren

    Are apps such as poke genie or calc iv considered blacklisted?

    • peponzio

      They may be considered. Niantic will decide what goes into the list, even if they are not considered right now they may be put in the future.