Technical Machines are a fairly fairly rare Raid drop, making them very precious and important. We created a list of Pokemon that benefit the most when you re-roll their moves via a Fast or Charged TM.
Do note that some of these entries contain Legacy Moves, for example the hated Twister Gyarados. We’ve included a short explanation how we built this list and why some Pokemon are not included (example: Golem) after the chart.TIPS: bold marks a preferred move in a scenario where multiple move outcomes are possible. ⚠️ marks a move that should be replaced again, as it’s considered sub-optimal.
| Pokemon | Move to replace | Type | Potential new moves | |
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Tyranitar | Fire Blast fire | Charge | Crunch dark Stone Edge rock |
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Dragonite | Hyper Beam normal | Charge | Outrage dragon Hurricane |
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Snorlax | Earthquake ground | Charge | Hyper Beam normal Heavy Slam steel |
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Rhydon | Megahorn bug | Charge | Stone Edge rock Earthquake ground |
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Gyarados | Twister dragon | Charge | Hydro Pump water Outrage dragon Crunch dark |
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Donphan | Tackle normal | Fast | Counter fighting |
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Machamp | Bullet Punch steel | Fast | Counter fighting |
| Heavy Slam steel | Charge | Close Combat fighting Dynamic Punch fighting | ||
| Stone Edge rock | Close Combat fighting Dynamic Punch fighting ⚠️ Heavy Slam steel | |||
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Alakazam | Focus Blast fighting | Charge | Futuresight psychic Shadow Ball ghost |
| Dazzling Gleam fairy | Futuresight psychic Shadow Ball ghost ⚠️ Focus Blast fighting | |||
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Scizor | Night Slash dark | Charge | X Scissor bug Iron Head steel |
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Omastar | Mud Shot ground | Fast | Water Gun water |
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Gengar | Focus Blast fighting | Charge | Shadow Ball ghost Sludge Bomb poison |
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Lapras | Dragon Pulse dragon | Charge | Ice Beam ice Blizzard ice Hydro Pump water |
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Poliwrath | Ice Punch ice | Charge | Dynamic Punch fighting Hydro Pump water |
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Discussion and more information
As you have probably observed, several high tier Pokemon are missing from the list, namely Golem, Espeon, Blissey and Exeggutor. The reasoning behind their removal is simple: their worst movesets do not benefit from TM usage as much as Pokemon listed above.
Any Pokemon you have can be improved with TMs, depending on the way you want to use it and it’s moveset, but that’s not an excuse to use a Charge TM on a Rock Blast Golem instead of using it on a Heavy Slam / Stone Edge Machamp. You will gain roughly 5% more damage on your Golem, but your Machamp could gain more than 25% more damage.
As far as other missing entries go, their moves are close enough in performance that we do not recommend using TMs on them (Espeon, Exeggutor) or their stats play a much bigger role than their moves (Blissey).
Why are there no Fire Types in the list?
Honestly, fire Pokemon have been constantly disappointing us ever since the game launched, both in term of availability and performance. There are almost no scenarios where we would recommend “fixing” your Fire Pokemon, mostly due to the following:
- At this point in time, we expect almost every Pokemon GO player to have a half decent Flareon, which is the optimal fire type to use in Raids and Gym offense. Flareon can no longer obtain his worst charge move (Heat Wave) and you won’t gain a lot by fixing other moves.
- Hybrids like Houndoom are good enough to replace all non-Flareon fire Pokemon.
Parting words
No parting words. Fix your Gyarados.
I changed my Dragonite’s Hyperbeam with a TM because both Hurricane and Outrage have STAB and are faster so they are both better in attacking and defending in my opinion.
Hurricane is also good against Machamp raids.
I don’t agree with changing Hurricane for Dragonite, it has STAB damage, the one to change should be Hyperbeam
Also in Gym fights Hurricane Dragonite is preferred vs Machamp.
Yes but you will want to have Bite + Stone Edge for RAID battles XD (legendary’s)
I am guessing this topic is about changing moves for RAID battles anyway,..
I dunno, wouldn’t an Iron Tail-Stone Edge Tyrannitar be effective against an all-ice Lapras?
I’ll join the club that’s confused at changing hurricane to hyper beam. I will probably use a TM at some point on one of my hurricane dragonites, but if I get Hyper Beam I’ll reroll again.
I don’t understand wanting to change Hurricane. Hyper Beam is the one you want to be rid of, since it doesn’t do Super Effective to anyone, and doesn’t have STAB. Hurricane destroys Machamp raids. While we’re at it, Steel Wing needs to go on Dragonite as well, along with Iron Tail on Tyranitar.
Also why is Close Combat the preferred moveset to get on Machamp. From what I can tell Dynamic Punch is the one you want. It has a higher DPS.
This is what i needed
These really depends on if they’re Attacking or Defending. And also depends on their Fast Move too.
Take this with a grain of salt….
Who wrote this list ? Remove dragonite Hurrican for Hyper beam ? Alakazam and Gengar are also very good with focus blast, why reroll it ?
Next time take more information first to write “Guide”.
scizor best moves I have 2-bull pun/ x-sci, fury cut/ night slash , bull pun/ iron head. what to change & what to keep & what about golem what the best moves to keep for future
There are 7 Pokemon that greatly benefit in the new meta due to raids. While the Pokemon in the raids may change, the typing should remain the same, keeping the 7 viable for as long as I can tell. They are, in no particular order:
Machamp (most important) with Counter and Dynamic Punch.
Jolteon with Thundershok and Thunderbolt
Golem with Rock Throw and Stone Edge
Exeggutor with Seed Bomb and Solar Beam
Vaporeon with Water Gun and Hydro Pump
Rhydon with Mud Slap and Earthquake
Dragonite with Dragon Tail and Outrage (Strictly DPS, no type advantage)
I would then go with Snorlax, Lapras, and Alakazam to get proper typing. Snorlax should be Zen Headbutt (Machamp counter) and Hyper Beam (if you don’t have Body Slam). Lapras should be Frost Breath and Blizzard (perfect counter). Alakazam should be Confusion and Futuresight. And don’t forget Steelix! You should have Iron Tail and Heavy Slam there.
surely you should replace night slash for something else on a primeape