Picking Correct Moves For Pokemon GO PvP (Trainer Battles Academy)

Pokemon GO PvP: Two Charged Moves
Pokemon GO PvP: Two Charged Moves

We’re kicking off a new article series, called Trainer Battle Academy. Trainer Battles Academy is aimed to provide our readers a strong set of foundations for building their Pokemon GO PvP teams, understand PvP mechanics and collectively raise the knowledge bar when it comes to Trainer Battles. With the recent announcement that Trainer Battles are officially going competitive (First Official Pokemon GO PvP Tournament takes place at 2019 Pokémon World Championships), we feel like the interest in PvP will significantly grow over the next few months.


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PvP Moves Stats

In Pokemon GO, moves have two set of stats: one for Gyms and Raids and another for Trainer Battles. Additionally, moves can have special status effects in Trainer Battles: raise attack, lower opponent defense, etc. Just to confirm that we’re all on the same page, PvP stands for Player vs Player and PvE stands for Player vs Environment. In this article, PvP = Trainer Battles (Team GO Rocket battles included) and PvE = Gyms and Raids. Unfortunately, if you’re coming from a heavy PvE background, everything you know about good and bad moves is probably not applicable in PvE.

There are a few stats that define every move in Trainer Battles:

  • Duration, measured in Turns (each turn is 0.5 seconds)
  • Power, same as in Raids
  • Energy required to use for charge moves / Energy given by using for fast moves

For charge moves there are no explicit bars, but the Energy requirement somewhat emulates the mechanic. Determining which moves are good and which are not quite useful can be done by observing three metrics, but the story is a bit more complicated than that.

The key metrics for Pokemon GO PvP moves are:

Fast Moves Charge Moves
  • DPT – damage per turn
  • EPT – energy per turn
  • DPT*EPT – damage and energy per turn
  • DPE – damage per energy

Fast Moves

Pokemon GO PvP Fast moves create energy when used, which can later be used to fire off a Charge move. Unlike Charge moves, Fast moves don’t have special status effects. As each fast move has a different duration, we use DPT and EPT to describe their performance. This is not an exact science, but it does allow for particular moves to show their worth.

Ideally, for fast moves you’re looking for a move that has both high EPT and high DPT, for example Dragon Breath which has 4 DPT and 3 EPT. It’s widely considered that 3 DPT and 3 EPT is the rough baseline for fast moves in PvP . These moves are quite good, but they do not excel at any role. If your moves have both scores lower than 3/3, you should consider replacing them.

Here’s a good rule of thumb:

  • If your fast move has both EPT and DPT lower than 3.00, it’s bad
  • If your fast move has EPT equal or greater than 3.50, it has some potential
  • If your fast move has DPT equal or greater than 3.50, chances are it will have low EPT

Keep in mind that there is no single rule that makes a Fast Move good. In Pokemon GO’s PvP it’s all about the interplay between fast and charge moves, which is a topic we will elaborate in depth later in this article.

Visualizing Fast Moves

Chart by Foreveryoung254

The chart above shows how Pokemon GO fast moves rank up in terms of Energy per Turn and Damage Per Turn, but also shows you how some moves are similar. Moves on the right side do more damage per turn, and moves closer to the top generate more Energy per turn. It’s easy to see why Shadow Claw and Counter are so highly rated.

Observations:

  • Moves like Counter, Confusion, Shadow Claw and Dragon Breath are among the best PvP moves you can have. They have high DPT and high EPT, no compromises were made in creating them.
  • Moves like Razor Leaf and Charm have high DPT, but low EPT, which makes them hard hitters, but you need to be careful which Charge move you pair them with (cheaper is better in these cases)
  • Moves like Mud Shot, Psycho Cut and Thunder Shock have insane EPT, but super low damage, and are often used only to reduce the time needed to charge up your Charge moves. You will almost always have two charge moves on Pokemon with this Fast Move (provides more options in the fight)

In general, you want a good fast move whenever you can possibly get one – it’s free damage and essential fuel for your charge moves.

Best fast moves (ranked by DPT*EPT)

Multiplying DPT and EPT enables us to rank and showcase well rounded PvP moves. These moves are not optimal in all situations, but they are highly usable on a variety of Pokemon:

  • Counter
  • Shadow Claw
  • Dragon Breath
  • Confusion
  • Razor Leaf
  • Waterfall
  • Smack Down
  • Charm
  • Poison Jab
  • Bullet Punch
  • Vine Whip
  • Rock Throw
  • Ice Shard
  • Fire Spin
  • Dragon Tail
  • Bubble

Charge moves

Pokemon GO PvP charge moves cost energy to use, deal a large amount of damage and some of them even have special effects that can change your or your opponents stats. Similar to Fast Moves, some Charge moves are strictly better than others. The main metric for comparing charge moves is DPE (Damage per Energy), which describes how much damage you output per Energy point spent. DPE ranges from 2.25 (Hydro Cannon) to 0.25 (Frustration).

Energy mechanics

Charge moves in PvP require a different amount of energy than PvE moves, ranging from 35 to 100 and they don’t have “bars”. Using a fast move fills up your “energy pool”, which can get up to 100 energy stored. You can estimate the status of your energy pool by counting the number of times your fast move has activated, or simply by observing the “fill level” of one of your charge moves.

If your charge move can be activated, you can still gain energy from Fast moves, provided that you are not already capped at 100 Energy. This allows for an interesting strategy:

  • You can fill up enough energy to activate 2 charge moves back to back or
  • You can activate charge moves as soon as you have energy

Both strategies are valid and their usage will depend on your desired effect.

Stat changing moves

Ancient Power, Ominous Wind, Silverwind, Power-Up Punch and Acid Spray can affect attack and defense of your Pokemon or the opponent. These moves are rather niche, as you don’t control when and how they’re activated, so they are often not as useful as you would think.

Power-Up Punch is powerful, the rest is fine(ish) – if you have access to Power-Up Punch on your Medicham use it. Acid Spray is an awkward one, as it costs a lot of energy and only reduces the opponent’s Defense. For Acid Spray, you want a high EPT fast move to activate it soon, but you want a high DPT fast move to take advantage of the reduced defense – confusing! As you can see, these moves are situational and you shouldn’t worry about them.

Best PvP Charge moves (ranked by DPE)

These ones are taken straight from our Database, and they are grouped by energy cost. In order to get the full list, go to the PvP Charge moves table, sort by Energy and then hold the Shift key and sort by DPE:

Energy cost Highest DPE
35 Eng
  • Leaf Blade
  • Body Slam
  • Cross Chop
  • Dragon Claw
40 Eng
  • Hydro Cannon
  • Surf
  • Drill Peck
  • Fire / Ice / Thunder Punch
45 Eng
  • Frenzy Plant
  • Avalanche
  • Rock Slide
  • Sky Attack
  • Ancient Power
50 Eng
  • Blast Burn
  • Meteor Mash
  • Dynamic Punch
  • Grass Knot
  • Power Whip
  • Wild Charge
55 Eng
  • Psystrike
  • Shadow Ball
  • Stone Edge
  • Brace Bird
  • Earth Power
60 Eng
  • Outrage
  • Close Combat
  • Thunder
65 Eng
  • Earthquake
  • Futuresight
  • Flash Cannon
  • Hurricane
70  Eng
  • Moonblast
  • Dazzling Gleam
75 Eng
  • Draco Meteor
  • Focus Blast
80 Eng
  • Hyper Beam
  • Overheat

The interesting thing about Charge moves is that you should always go for a mix of high damage and low energy ones, as well as two different types where applicable. Low energy charge moves serve to force shield usage from your opponent, while high damage ones are often trumped by simple type effectiveness.

Building a move set

In order to have a Pokemon that’s viable for PvP, you should always have two charged moves:

  • The first is your main move
  • The other can be either your type coverage move (or your shield pressure move)

Example of good move set for PvP

Let’s take a look at Lucario’s optimal move set for example (although it’s a bit unfair as Lucario has been blessed by the fabled Steel second type):

Pokemon GO LucarioLucario
  • Counter Fighting
  • Power-Up Punch Fighting
  • Shadow Ball Ghost
  • Counter is a monster of a Fast Move, high EPT and high DPT
  • Power-Up Punch is a well rounded Fighting typed charge move that costs measly 35 Energy, has a stat boosting effect and can wreck any Normal / Steel Pokemon quickly
  • Shadow Ball seems like an odd one, but it’s an excellent tool to counter Psychic and Ghost types, also a good source of neutral damage against most other types

Example of bad move set for PvP

Pokemon GO FeraligatrFeraligatr
  • Waterfall Water
  • Hydro Cannon Water
  • Hydro Pump Water

A setup like this doesn’t make any sense, as Hydro Cannon and Hydro Pump cancel each other out and they do not provide any additional type coverage. What if your opponent has a Roserade? Or a Venusaur? Hydro Pump will not save you there, you will likely faint before you can even fire it.

Here’s a better setup:

  • Keep Waterfall, it generates more Energy than Bite
  • Keep Hydro Cannon, that move is the best Water type charge move you can have
  • Change Hydro Pump into Ice Beam Ice. Ice Beam provides type coverage against Grass, Flying, Ground and Dragon type opponents

Parting words

I hope this was useful, as a lot of Trainers have asked us to help them understand PvP basics. We’ll continue our Trainer Battles Academy series onward, one topic at a time. Until next time, see ya! (Post your questions in the comments, we’ve got eyes down there)